tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309311177399464085.post2048747790504609273..comments2024-03-09T22:15:08.461-06:00Comments on Lake County Eye: A Good Looking PlayerUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309311177399464085.post-29170471009859217222009-09-06T08:40:49.041-05:002009-09-06T08:40:49.041-05:00Louis,
What don't you agree with?
If there'...Louis,<br />What don't you agree with?<br />If there's an organization that has a disproportionate market share, that's not a free market (the bastion of the GOP), that doesn't ensure consumer costs are reasonable, (apparently high costs are not a concern of yours) and that doesn't place a market-based check on the organization.<br /><br />For example, How many flights are there to a certain city at O'Hare given United and American's dominance and their current cuts in service? How much does this lack of choice cost each of us?<br /><br />Were you NOT aware that some hospitals are paid a premium for the uninsured and under-insured care they provide? If we cover more people and prevent issues or treat them early, isn't that MORALLY BETTER and less expensive over time?<br /><br />Were you not aware of the objective, peer-reviewed studies that reflect people without insurance who become eligible for Medicare have higher expenses once eligible than people who are covered (Medicaid and private insurance)? Are peer-reviewed journals part of Hannity's alleged vast liberal conspiracy?<br /><br /><br />If I try to discuss something using quotes, facts, and logic (not to mention the avoidance of labels and insults) and the person I'm trying to discuss it with hides behind 'you're using talking points,' 'you are crazy,' or without responding in-kind, is it worth compromise, a respectful debate, or inclusion?<br /><br />GOP'er's have code words. Like when Bush said compromise, it meant his way or the highway (i.e. negotiating on torture with Sen. McCain). When the current crop says inclusion or work together, it means prioritize their top issues and let everything else including the fact that we currently spend $1-2 Trillion per year if we do nothing be darned.Crazy4glfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07825258902135831151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309311177399464085.post-10177745693959173812009-09-06T01:23:47.621-05:002009-09-06T01:23:47.621-05:00Crazy says: "I don't receive or lend much...Crazy says: "I don't receive or lend much credence to Dem or GOP talking points."<br /><br />And then he spews out a whole bunch more of Democratic talking points. LOL!<br /><br />Louis G. AtsavesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309311177399464085.post-8914843983911382112009-09-04T19:58:48.582-05:002009-09-04T19:58:48.582-05:00Let's see, debate and play fair. Myths being p...Let's see, debate and play fair. Myths being perpetuated as recently as last Saturday (Enzi?), Mr. Alexander stating that the President doesn't know how to engage in a bi-partisan manner though news reports reflect quite the opposite, and our being told that GOP'er's are all about compromise and moral superiority when we've seen nothing of the sort for at least a year.<br /><br />I don't receive or lend much credence to Dem or GOP talking points.<br /><br />It is a fact that by covering more people, less is spent subsidizing care for under-insured and uninsured patients - YOU HAVE FEWER OF THEM?! This subsidy comes via those with private insurance being billed more than may be necessary and the government paying providers in hard-pressed areas more money to care for uninsured and under-insured people.<br /><br />When Blue Cross covers at least 70% of people in one state - let's say Illinois - and others, when not engaging in back-dating of stock options, are behaving just like BC/BS, this is not a free market. This is where employers and employees are forced to bear the brunt of excessive executive compensation, a lack of choice, and insurance companies that lose sight of their own mission.<br /><br />I've been waiting for GOP'ers to quit complaining, quit distracting, and enter into an open, genuine debate about the issues without contradicting themselves via fund-raising email, radio address, and town-hall. <br /><br />I think Rep. Jenkins told a constituent to pursue S-Chip which does not cover the single mother herself, when Ms. Jenkins voted against S-chip's continuation, and when she couldn't stop laughing. This to me says, S-chip isn't good enough for me to vote for but someone who's vote I want isn't worthy of anything close to the insurance I have.Crazy4glfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07825258902135831151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309311177399464085.post-13239451306871705452009-09-04T19:57:32.107-05:002009-09-04T19:57:32.107-05:00Hey Louis, do you get that feeling that nobody her...Hey Louis, do you get that feeling that nobody here really cares about you & your right-wingnut opinions anymore?Mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309311177399464085.post-60128769353491826652009-09-04T18:38:45.744-05:002009-09-04T18:38:45.744-05:00Let's see where we are at right now shall we?
...Let's see where we are at right now shall we?<br /><br />The "ground rules" by the anonymous (not so brave) posters call for no "Republican Talking Points" but allow for "Democratic Talking Points." Sorry boys (or girls). Not biting. Play fair or not at all.<br /><br />Now someone fears "thugs" if he outs himself. There are piles of police reports of Republican "thugs" beating up on poor hapless Democrats in Lake County - NOT! If you are too afraid to debate, just back away!<br /><br />And that "Crazy" fellow rips off a series of Democratic talking points to claim a start to a debate. Crazy doesn't get it.<br /><br />Tsk! Tsk! Tsk! And you wonder why the debate on Obamacare has gone badly for you?<br /><br />When you are ready to play and debate fair, let me know. You know where to find me.<br /><br />Louis G. AtsavesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309311177399464085.post-90868108492371161902009-09-03T20:37:56.442-05:002009-09-03T20:37:56.442-05:00"Thanks for allowing me to go to bed with a s..."Thanks for allowing me to go to bed with a smile on my face:"<br /><br />45 million people don't have health insurance. FACT.<br /><br />We spend the most of civilized nations and get the least in return. (outcomes, percentage of covered Americans, administrative costs and a lack of competition in the private market). FACT<br /><br />Health insurance companies used to be not-for-profits. Now each of their CEO's incomes can support multiple small businesses. FACT.<br />Related to this, the Bush-initiated bailout(s) did not prevent financial organization CEO's from reaping huge profits for poor performance (Did I miss this in capitalism 101?)<br /><br />We could decrease costs by covering more people and not paying $3 per Tylenol tablet (those of us who are insured) and not have as many people with advanced, expensive conditions. FACT. Isn't this the morally superior way to go, Mr. High and Mr. Mighty?<br /><br />Some are striving for compromise, the greater good, and sensible reform (McCain SAID he was for all kinds of reform) and others are complaining because the President is going to speak to our children in public schools. <br />Choose your battles people, there's too much muck created by Bush and company to resolve!<br /><br />As I've said before, if the Repubs would have always been fiscal conservatives, if they did not prioritize their so-called social conservative initiatives over safety and well-equipped troops, if they appeared to negotiate in good faith; maybe they'd be more credibible, maybe they'd be taken seriously, maybe we wouldn't be skeptical about everything they said.<br /><br />Keep smiling when 50 million people are uninsured. <br />Keep smiling when Public Enemy Number 1 for years under Bush is still free.<br />Keep smiling when America no longer manufactures anything.<br />Keep smiling when hateful speech, myth, and untoward (marital?) behavior is taken as par for the course.<br /><br />Sleep tight and don't let the bed bugs bite. Of course, you probably have insurance so maybe you'd prefer to. Its just that you don't want others to afford a basic necessity. If you're not compassionate and are not conservative, what are you?Crazy4glfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07825258902135831151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309311177399464085.post-22471363544588248962009-09-03T18:47:31.625-05:002009-09-03T18:47:31.625-05:00Louis wants to call the shots. Typical. Someone ...Louis wants to call the shots. Typical. Someone reaches out to him to have a civil discussion & he gets pissy about it.<br /><br />That's the Republican way. You're wasting your time trying, Joe. It's their way or no way. No compromise, no compassion, no reasoning.<br /><br />Oh, and Louis: I'm not giving you my full name because I don't trust you one bit. How do I know you won't hunt me down with your thugs?Mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309311177399464085.post-20225834826222863862009-09-03T10:01:38.189-05:002009-09-03T10:01:38.189-05:00"Ground rules: stick to the subject & don..."Ground rules: stick to the subject & don't use Republican talking points."<br /><br />Whose ground rules are these? And asking if a Republican is REALLY for health care reform is a DEMOCRATIC TALKING POINT! :-)<br /><br />Revise your ground rules and we'll talk. But straight talk only, none of the WHATSAMATTA WITH YOUSE REPUBLICANS nonsense.<br /><br />At least someone around here is trying. Maybe there truly is a light at the end of the tunnel!<br /><br />Louis G. AtsavesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309311177399464085.post-90707212790680185372009-09-03T08:32:05.476-05:002009-09-03T08:32:05.476-05:00Come on-no one here wants meaningful dialogue. All...Come on-no one here wants meaningful dialogue. All we hear from both sides is "Bush immoral war" or "Stroger and company." This is a blog site-posters jump up and down to inflame their side, with no real substance. Both Mark and Louis are at fault.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309311177399464085.post-79595118032430489892009-09-03T08:06:29.607-05:002009-09-03T08:06:29.607-05:00OK, Louis, why don't you tell us just exactly ...OK, Louis, why don't you tell us just exactly what you <i>are for</i>? <br /><br />Let's start with one issue.<br /><br />Do you want health care reform? What exactly does that reform include?<br /><br />Ground rules: stick to the subject & don't use Republican talking points.<br /><br />BTW, this is in an effort to have a meaningful dialog that might possibly lead to better understanding. I'm sick & tired of the culture of divisiveness that has permeated our political discussions locally & nationally. This isn't a freaking game we're playing here. We're literally talking about matters of life & death.Joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309311177399464085.post-37215552246659668272009-09-02T23:43:48.633-05:002009-09-02T23:43:48.633-05:00"Its just the spending on healthcare, educati..."Its just the spending on healthcare, education, and the environment, that you are against."<br /><br />Are you talking about smart spending or just plain old out of control break the bank until the nation is broke and bankrupt type of spending? Because claiming that Republicans are plain against healthcare, education and the environment is hyperactive sloganeering at its worst. This is the type of "political debate" that I have decried over and over in this thread, but you folks just can't help yourselves.<br /><br />Funny, you throw Bush and others in my face, and I can respond with Blagojevich, Stroger and a bunch of other Democrats you folks rather would not want to admit to knowing, but then again, that is sloganeering Crazy4glf, and not political debate.<br /><br />And with regards to your statement that "As for me on the other hand, my comments have been based on actual news reports . . . " LOL!<br /><br />Thanks for allowing me to go to bed tonight with a smile! <br /><br />You WERE kidding, right? Right?<br /><br />Louis G. AtsavesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309311177399464085.post-80422644634228515912009-09-02T20:41:17.568-05:002009-09-02T20:41:17.568-05:00Louis,
When it comes to spending money we don'...Louis,<br />When it comes to spending money we don't have (why not - China's loaded, Mr. BUSH and Mr. KIRK), have you heard of the Bush tax cuts (a form of government SPENDING) and the unnecessary war in Iraq where Halliburton & others received contracts despite barely providing 2/3's of what they were obligated to provide?<br />That kind of help my friends and the VP get rich spending is fine with you Louis. Its just the spending on healthcare, education, and the environment, that you are against. You're not alone. There are a lot of Repubs - I call them born again fiscal conservatives - that are right there with you.<br /><br />I know you can 'utter nonsense' and you haven't spared us from it. Your words - not mine. Again, from the previous President, to Sanford, to Kirk's approach to healthcare reform, its either nonsense, hypocritical, or unrelated.<br /><br />As for me on the other hand, my comments have been based on actual news reports about GOP'ers not refusing their health insurance, about hypocritical GOP'ers who want the government involved in preventing certain healthcare decisions (Schiavo, women's health) though also don't want the government involved in anything (kill your own chickens?),<br />and about how the Repubs were never about compromise - not under Nixon, Reagan, Bush (x2) and not with regard to Grassley and Enzi.<br /><br />Its hard to negotiate with people who pejoratively refer to the healthcare reform they are trying to implement and who perpetuate previously debunked myths most of us knew were false when they were first uttered by GOP Members of Congress.<br /><br />When you guys want to stop grand-standing and being pleased with 'media coups' our door is now and always has been open, contrary to what Mr. Alexander stated.Crazy4glfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07825258902135831151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309311177399464085.post-48088319897692716102009-09-02T13:53:46.746-05:002009-09-02T13:53:46.746-05:00Nice try Anon.
I was commenting on the Democratic...Nice try Anon.<br /><br />I was commenting on the Democratic leaning organization and their name calling and fibs.<br /><br />Some one pointed out to me that Columnist Mark Brown of the Chicago Sun-Times, no friend of Republicans is he, agrees with me on that point. Today's newspaper. Today's column.<br /><br />Tsk, tsk, tsk!<br /><br />Louis G. AtsavesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309311177399464085.post-29647215035059958722009-09-02T12:10:18.518-05:002009-09-02T12:10:18.518-05:00Louis,
Thanks for going back to your name-calling...Louis,<br /><br />Thanks for going back to your name-calling and 'all Democrats are bad' themes and giving up on your medical malpractice reform yada-yada. In the land of the big-dogs, we refer to arguements like yours as 'meritricious' and find their use a character flaw. So just move on, Sunny-Jim. Good day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309311177399464085.post-70906374904655075272009-09-02T11:26:59.875-05:002009-09-02T11:26:59.875-05:00The MSM has picked up on that ad. Too bad Kirk ne...The MSM has picked up on that ad. Too bad Kirk never used the word "condum" and the MSM is portraying that ad as a lie. Waste of money. Perhaps that organization could have purchased some healthcare insurance for some they claim to represent instead of blowing all that cash on lies no one is paying attention to?<br /><br />Sloganeering and namecalling at its worst, compliments of a Democratic leaning organization.<br /><br />Tsk! Tsk! Tsk!<br /><br />Again, when you are REALLY ready to talk politics without the nonsense sloganeering and namecalling, just track me down. I'm easy to find. I post with my real name and do not hide behind an alias.<br /><br />Louis G. AtsavesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309311177399464085.post-53697848740637682062009-09-02T09:18:46.273-05:002009-09-02T09:18:46.273-05:00Mark: I agree, be careful what you wish for or how...Mark: I agree, be careful what you wish for or how you perceive things. In a little over three years it will be the Democrats fault and Obama's fault that the county is still in a mess. What then? Somehow blame it on the Republicans?<br />I think alot of members on both sides don't really want reform, but they want to have a nice resume when they run again for office.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309311177399464085.post-48162300931951109812009-09-02T08:39:05.224-05:002009-09-02T08:39:05.224-05:00That photo of Mark "Bush" Kirk is enough...That photo of Mark "Bush" Kirk is enough of a downer to end all romance.Joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309311177399464085.post-50068611596629550132009-09-02T06:51:41.661-05:002009-09-02T06:51:41.661-05:00Well Louis, here's the thing. We have been di...Well Louis, here's the thing. We have been discussing the "issues of the day" but you keep talking in circles. My, what fun you must be in a court room.<br /><br />Frankly, I've got better things to do with my time than to waste it with you & your stupidity.<br /><br />Oh yeah, and bummer about that new Kirk Condoms ad on immigration. Kirk is looking about as sane as Lou Dobbs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309311177399464085.post-2615724994024180852009-09-01T20:48:49.099-05:002009-09-01T20:48:49.099-05:00"The country that the Repubs want has nothing..."The country that the Repubs want has nothing to do with our nation's founding, the needs of the overwhelming majority of Americans who don't have the ability to refuse Congressional healthcare (although no Repub has utilized this right!!!!), and will be far worse than the gains we're already seeing with the stimulus package and programs like cash for clunkers and appliances."<br /><br />Oh my! <br /><br />Crazy, you and your pals just confirmed the point I was making. And bribing people with money that the government doesn't have so folks can spend money they don't have to spend money to revive the economy? Sheesh! How utterly Rezko of you folks! (See, I can sloganeer and name call just like you folks can! :-)<br /><br />When you want to really discuss issues of the day, I'm pretty easy to find. <br /><br />If you want to sloganeer and infer utter nonsense, then remember, I can do it too. The difference is I know when I'm doing it, you seem to not know when you are doing it.<br /><br />Louis G. AtsavesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309311177399464085.post-35941131893146181692009-09-01T19:46:37.593-05:002009-09-01T19:46:37.593-05:00Louis,
Bush had 8 years to screw the country up, h...Louis,<br />Bush had 8 years to screw the country up, had no opposition, and we were told that to disagree was unpatriotic and almost against the law, by the very same people that didn't wait a day to disagree with anything that didn't come from Rush and Steele.<br /><br />You say that Repubs want healthcare reform, then use a pejorative to describe what the President -'the one we're supposed to respect and give him a chance' so the GOP told us not so long ago- has attempted to shape or initiate a conversation toward. Which is it? It is not like the President has said this is how it has to be or that the President ignores polls and the needs of the average citizen like the previous one did.<br /><br />Kirk isn't promoting healthcare reform. He's promoting tort reform which the Repubs have failed to pursue at the federal level when they were in charge. The two are not joined at the hip.<br /><br />It is hard for some of us to look at the GOP as fiscal conservatives when they approved and failed to wind-down an expensive and unnecessary war (while cutting taxes and wasting Justice Department funds on 'opinions' not worth the paper they were printed on). Also, if Obama yanked all troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan - outside your unique world - the Repubs would blame him for that too. It would also mean that Obama is fixing the way in which the wars were fought for the last 6+ years.<br /><br />Considering that the Repubs already have their own health insurance, see their speaking engagement fees increase when they go out of office, and go to work at lobbying firms like Dick Armey, why are we to believe Repubs want healthcare reform, Louis?<br /><br />Its sure not from the plethora of tangible, relevant proposals we're seeing from the Right side of the aisle.<br /><br />Yes there were tea parties centuries ago, but sooner or later the grass-roots Colonists got it together and banded against a powerful aristocracy that had its own recognized faith (Regents University, CBN, Vitter and Sanford's professed faith, and McCain's being a Christian viewed as 'a key component to being a candidate for President'), high taxation that didn't pay for much west of the Atlantic, and people who didn't represent them in any sense of the word.<br /><br />Do you really want to go down that road? If so, I'd say the Repubs are looking more like the Royalty in England that was eventually overthrown on our shores of, for, and by the people.<br /><br />The country that the Repubs want has nothing to do with our nation's founding, the needs of the overwhelming majority of Americans who don't have the ability to refuse Congressional healthcare (although no Repub has utilized this right!!!!), and will be far worse than the gains we're already seeing with the stimulus package and programs like cash for clunkers and appliances.<br /><br />Careful what ya wish for. We all might get it ):Crazy4glfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07825258902135831151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309311177399464085.post-49859818187579359592009-09-01T14:18:23.868-05:002009-09-01T14:18:23.868-05:00The Republican Theme Song...with sincere apologies...<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtMV44yoXZ0&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailykos.com%2Fstory%2F2009%2F2%2F13%2F18367%2F8562%2F391%2F697273&feature=player_embedded" rel="nofollow">The Republican Theme Song</a>...with sincere apologies to Groucho.Mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309311177399464085.post-73096572895265703032009-09-01T14:05:45.949-05:002009-09-01T14:05:45.949-05:00Louis, you just threw the ball into a different co...Louis, you just threw the ball into a different court. Your need to back out of one issue and try to scoot to another evinces the lack of intellectual integrity rampant throughout our Lake County GOPers. Your anecdote said nothing as to the need for medical malpractice reform. I know a little about orthopedic surgery and when anyone is cutting a back, prudence requires as many diagnostic tests as possible, because bad results in spinal surgery are generally really bad. That's the thing about anecdotes and micro statistics; you can find them to support any position on the compass. But it's most telling that you try and shift to a whole other set of issues. I'll see that as conceding the utter seperation between medical malpractice reform and healthcare reform. The Republicans are just using that as a roadblock, rather than offering reasonable and workable solutions of your own. You really are the party of 'NO'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309311177399464085.post-41050244847279181752009-09-01T13:03:18.061-05:002009-09-01T13:03:18.061-05:00Sorry that I repeated myself when discussing Bush&...Sorry that I repeated myself when discussing Bush's risky mortgages plan. Guess I got carried away with just how bad it was.<br /><br />BTW, if anyone wants to find out the facts about health care, <a href="http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/twenty-six-lies-about-hr-3200/" rel="nofollow">check here.</a>Joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309311177399464085.post-42365268949429413502009-09-01T12:32:37.170-05:002009-09-01T12:32:37.170-05:00You Democrats now have had nearly nine months to e...<i>You Democrats now have had nearly nine months to end the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Whatsamatter? You have had nearly nine months to fix the economy and find jobs for everyone. Whatsamatter?</i><br /><br />You're kidding, right Louis? Please tell me you're kidding.<br /><br />First of all, it has technically been only 7 months & 11 days since Jan. 20th, 2009. <br /><br />Secondly, it's going to take a hell of a lot longer than that to clean up the mess left after 12 years of Republican rule in Congress & 8 years of a really bad administration that did away will oversight regulation in economic policies & took us into an illegal & immoral war that has cost us <a href="http://costofwar.com/" rel="nofollow">almost $905,000,000,000</a> since 2001.<br /><br />And comparing the right of health care to the right to home ownership is completely ludicrous. George Bush's (proud parent of the mortgage crisis) rhetoric and policy centered on an 'Ownership Society' that wasn't just verbiage, it was policy. Indeed, after the catastrophic job losses of his first term, expanding home ownership was the one bright spot Team Rove could point to in an otherwise dismal picture. Expanding home ownership by any means necessary was Bush administration policy until roughly Spring of 2008. A White House Fact Sheet titled America's Ownership Society: Expanding Opportunities amplifies the point that risky mortgages were the implicit foundation of the administration's approach. A White House Fact Sheet titled <a href="http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2004/08/20040809-9.html" rel="nofollow">"America's Ownership Society: Expanding Opportunities"</a> amplifies the point that risky mortgages were the implicit foundation of the administration's approach. <br /><br />As for health care, how sure are you that you won't be denied coverage for some unexpected health catastrophe that befalls you or your family? How sure are you that you won't be dropped from your policy as a result of that? How sure are you that you won't lose that lovely home you have in Lake Forest because you have to pay your medical bills? What will you do then, Louis?Joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309311177399464085.post-90894733406812781972009-09-01T08:25:54.463-05:002009-09-01T08:25:54.463-05:00See Anon, you are missing the point.
Your slogane...See Anon, you are missing the point.<br /><br />Your sloganeering can be turned against you in a heartbeat. You Democrats now have had nearly nine months to end the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Whatsamatter? You have had nearly nine months to fix the economy and find jobs for everyone. Whatsamatter?<br /><br />We can play that game forever and resolve nothing, or we can put aside stupid sloganeering that both parties engage in and demand real reforms of issues troubling this nation.<br /><br />Your choice. What do you want to do?<br /><br />Tort reform is hard, just like health reform is hard, and reforming government through stronger ethics is hard. Those pushing such issues use them as a hot button to sway voters. To really reform is hard work. The Springfield Democrats miserably failed in their "Landmark" Ethics reforms to the point where they asked the accidental Governor to veto their work so they could "start all over." What was the problem there? Their sloganeering and labeling failed to mask their failure to tackle the problem and resolve it.<br /><br />Obamacare will go down in a ball of flames for the same reason as tort reform stalls out. True reform requires work, effort and study, not sloganeering on both sides. Ram something through Congress that is all hot air, sloganeering and filled with protections for special interests, and you will have an unhappy nation.<br /><br />Right now there is only sloganeering in this State and in this Nation.<br /><br />The funny part is that GOP members want reform in health care and other issues. But the sloganeers claim that the GOP is the party of "no" with no new ideas, conveniently ignoring all the GOP proposals out there on the subject. They are out there, stuck in committees, or being ridiculed like Kirk's. Of course, the "No New Ideas" sneerers contradict themselves when they attack something like the Kirk plan, but they will never figure that out so we will let them stay on their own little planet and humor them.<br /><br />And proclaiming health care as a "right" is also sloganeering, just like home ownership is a "right." Or maybe "was" a "right" but now much more diffult to obtain. The mortgage, foreclosure, and banking crisis resulted from the "homeownership is a right" sloganeering. How did that one work out for this Nation?<br /><br />Do it right and it will work. Do it wrong (like Obamacare) and it will not.<br /><br />Some folks laughed when I demanded everyone raise the level of debate and keep the name calling and sloganeering out of it here and at another blog site.<br /><br />They can continue to laugh. Because they of both parties are part of the problem, and are not part of any solutions.<br /><br />Ball back in your court!<br /><br />Louis G. AtsavesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com